Anders Andersen

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  Confronting the elders with doubts

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

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  i have already posted how i outed to an elder.... the only results were that another elder mentioned to me: "i heard you have doubts about the truth will you meet with us and clear it up... i also had doubts... i fixed them i can help.

  " laughing inwardly i said sure.. oh i'm going to slaughter this moron.

  when he asks my doubts i will show him the chromosome #2 video with ken miller.

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  Anders Andersen

  Human instinct has some important preprogrammed objectives:

  • Self preservation
  • Avoid pain and injury

  Those are active for both our physical and mental states.

  So guess what happens when an elder living in a comfy mental oblivion is attacked with facts that inflict pain and injury to his oblivious mental paradise? He deflects, denies, retaliates and runs for the hills.

  Most of us here have been there with elders or friends and family. Most common result is denial and anger. Angry friends shun. Angry elders disfellowship.

  There are some secretly recorded judicial committee hearings on YouTube. Even when evidence is presented. There is only one thing that counts: obey Watchtower. Elders are trained to enforce that, and their handbook states:

  Deliberately spreading teachings contrary to Bible truth as taught by Jehovah’s Witnesses: (Acts 21:21, ftn.; 2 John 7, 9, 10) Any with sincere doubts should be helped. Firm, loving counsel should be given. (2 Tim. 2:16-19, 23-26; Jude 22, 23) If one obstinately is speaking about or deliberately spreading false teachings, this may be or may lead to apostasy. If there is no response after a first and a second admonition, a judicial committee should be formed.—Titus 3:10, 11; w89 10/1 p. 19; w86 4/1 pp. 30-31; w86 3/15 p. 15.

  I really hope for you that you can reach your friends' minds....but cult indoctrination is very strong :-(

  
  

  
  
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  So can you pray for others that are not JW's ? Or only JW's

  by tor1500 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm a witness, so i need to know...can we pray for someone that isn't a jw.

  reason i ask, once a friend of mine was going for an operation.

  i asked an elder could he pray with her before she goes into the hospital.

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  I'm a witness, so I need to know...can we pray for someone that isn't a JW

  Isn't that the core problem of Jehovah's Witnesses? Almost all of them need rules and regulations for everthing in life, for every fart they let rip.

  • Can I accept this job?
  • Can I use a tablet during a meeting?
  • Can sisters wear nice pants in field service?
  • Can brothers grow beards?
  • Can brothers leave their tie or jacket at home?
  • Can I pray for non-JW/ex-JW/stray dogs?
  • Can I accept this medical treatment?

  Almost all JW can't think about these things for themselves.

  The ones that do (and maybe deviate from the common accepted standard), will be looked down upon as spiritual weak.

  I realize that this situation has been created by JW leaders, who have inserted themselves into every aspect of JW's lives and decisions. Only when they have no clue, or fear legal repercussions they allow individuals to use their own brain and conscience.

  Reminds me of....what were those religious leaders in the Gospels called again?
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  JW anti-gay children movie viral in Netherlands national media + official reaction of JW spokesman Branch office

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  various dutch (netherlands) media mentioned the anti-gay children movie on jw.org,.

  and gay, lesbian, transgender and bisexual organizations are shocked, and some gay people.

  are reporting the movie to the local police.. the official spokesman of the dutch branch office in emmen declared that the movie is.

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  "Primarily for internal use".... funny guy that Michel van Hilten.

  • All the JW.org signs on each jw building
  • Every ragazine points to more (bullshit) on that site
  • A worldwide campaign to point as many people as possible to the website
  • Publishers are encouraged to use the kiddie videos with children of their bible studies
  • Etc.

  So how could this possibly be intended for 'internal use'?

  Unless of course he meant that this website is to be shoved up the GB's behind...that would be internal use that makes sense :-D
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  Parking Passes

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  looks like they've been busted on the sales of parking passes at the rc.. this year, there is no fixed price (canada)..

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  See the first post of this thread for some more behind the scenes info.

  Imagine Watchtower paying $2 per parking spot, then suggesting $5 to the publishers, "which is the normal cost for parking at this venue".

  
  

  Possibly the venue in Canada made sure WT doesn't make money on their parking lot by prohibiting them from asking a fixed donation amount.
  
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  Parking Passes

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  looks like they've been busted on the sales of parking passes at the rc.. this year, there is no fixed price (canada)..

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  It's interesting btw: they (normally) do suggest an amount pp for the parking lot, but not for the building.

  Apparently whatever donations pp could be suggested (rental cost divided by expected visitors) is way lower than current donations pp during a convention. Yeah, conventions are money making events for Watchtower.
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  Parking Passes

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  looks like they've been busted on the sales of parking passes at the rc.. this year, there is no fixed price (canada)..

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  Normally when visiting a convention or exposition at a large venue or fairgrounds, visitors will have to pay for parking. This is extra revenue for the owner of the building.

  Watchtower normally rents the venue including the parking lot. Then the congregations are informed of this, and an amount of donations per pub is suggested to recover the cost of the parking lot.

  Watchtower states as a reason that it's much more efficient when not all visitors to the convention have to buy parking tickets, and that's true: at most worldy conventions, visitors don't all arrive and leave at the same time, but spread out over the whole day. Ticket vending machine capacity is fit for that, but not for all JW leaving at the same time. Result: traffic jams which the God of peace and order doesn't like. Hence the inclusion of the parking lot in the building rent agreement (but they may also make some money from this arrangement)

  
  

  Apparently this year in Canada they either couldn't or wouldn't include the parking lot in the venue rental agreement. Or they did, but they didn't suggest to the publishers a fixed donation amount for the parking.
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  New ANTI-GAY video for Kids on jw.org

  by ttdtt in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/one-man-one-woman-marriage/.

  disgusting!.

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  @JWleaks: awesome! Lol!
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  Today the two elders did not appear to declare at prosecutor's citation

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the two elders who stalked my sister were absent at the prosecutor's citation.

  they were waited for 1 hour, but they did not come.

  this attitude favors their culpability.

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  Wow charming, an anonymous caller. Might as well have been any witness who knew about her court case.

  But it shows how afraid this cult is of courts whenever they are not battling for the 'freedom of religion' they deny their own members.

  Hope your sister is really free now!
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  New ANTI-GAY video for Kids on jw.org

  by ttdtt in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/one-man-one-woman-marriage/.

  disgusting!.

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  @snugglebunny,

  No, they just mean to say that perfectly happy non-hetero couples should be willing to divorce and be miserable single forever to please big J.

  You know, that guy that hates divorce...
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  New ANTI-GAY video for Kids on jw.org

  by ttdtt in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/become-jehovahs-friend/videos/one-man-one-woman-marriage/.

  disgusting!.

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  Anders Andersen

  Today I regret that I have not actively told my coworkers I left this cult a little less than a year ago.

  They probably assume I agree with the message in the video. Well, to be fair, I did for decades. Karma is a bitch :-p